{"id":5524,"date":"2016-09-17T09:49:42","date_gmt":"2016-09-17T13:49:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/?p=5524"},"modified":"2016-09-17T14:14:50","modified_gmt":"2016-09-17T18:14:50","slug":"constitution-day-electoral-college-edition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/2016\/09\/constitution-day-electoral-college-edition\/","title":{"rendered":"Constitution Day: Electoral College Edition!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/2016\/09\/constitution-day-electoral-college-edition\/election-map-viewed-by-candidates\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5525\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-5525\" src=\"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Election-Map-Viewed-By-Candidates-507x400.gif\" alt=\"election-map-viewed-by-candidates\" width=\"507\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Election-Map-Viewed-By-Candidates-507x400.gif 507w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Election-Map-Viewed-By-Candidates-165x130.gif 165w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Election-Map-Viewed-By-Candidates-254x200.gif 254w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 507px) 100vw, 507px\" \/><\/a>(<a href=\"https:\/\/apgovernmentchs.wikispaces.com\/Electoral+College+-+Stay+or+Go%3F\">photo credit<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>Each year on September 17, federal law requires schools, colleges and universities to observe Constitution Day.\u00a0 Over the years, we have done this at Trinity by posing questions about the Constitution and soliciting community opinions for public inclusion on this blog.\u00a0 This year&#8217;s question:\u00a0 <strong>Should we amend the U.S. Constitution to abolish the Electoral College?\u00a0 Why or Why not?\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We took a straw poll of the Trinity community and these are the results:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/2016\/09\/constitution-day-electoral-college-edition\/electoral-college-straw-poll\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5526\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-5526\" src=\"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Electoral-College-Straw-Poll.jpg\" alt=\"electoral-college-straw-poll\" width=\"478\" height=\"274\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Electoral-College-Straw-Poll.jpg 478w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Electoral-College-Straw-Poll-223x128.jpg 223w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/Electoral-College-Straw-Poll-345x198.jpg 345w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 478px) 100vw, 478px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Below are some well-formulated arguments Pro and Con abolishing the Electoral College:<\/p>\n<span id=\"From_Dr._Dennis_Farley_Economics\"><h3>From Dr. Dennis Farley, Economics<\/h3><\/span>\n<p><em>Proposals to eliminate the Electoral College come up from time to time.\u00a0 So far, our republic has been lucky enough to dodge them.\u00a0 The framers of the Constitution wanted a republican form of government, but they had a healthy distrust of the people at large as decision makers for the nation.\u00a0 The whole thrust of the Bill of Rights, for example, was to limit the power of a majority to dictate the rights of individuals or groups in the minority.\u00a0 The method of selecting the chief executive, in Article 2, Section 1, was similarly influenced by a suspicion that direct election might not produce very good results.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>There are two reasons I see why the Electoral College, arcane though it may be, is worth retaining.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><em>The Electoral College is a potential bulwark against the election of someone truly not fit to be President.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><em>Hamilton (in Federalist, No. 68) thought that the mere existence of the Electoral College would assure that scam artists and criminals would not be able to make it through the process.\u00a0 The people would express their preferences by voting, but States would then appoint electors.\u00a0 These electors would give the preferences of the people great weight but would then use their good judgment in casting their votes.\u00a0 Direct election would have no such filter to prevent a popular scoundrel from coming out on top.\u00a0 Our impending election suggests that Hamilton may have been too optimistic.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>It may seem a low probability event, but suppose that, after the popular vote in November but before the College would meet in December, a candidate for President were revealed to be a serial murderer.\u00a0 In such a case, the electors would be able to vote for someone else, since they are free to vote their consciences, regardless of any pledges made during the popular vote.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>One can argue that impeachment is the remedy for such a situation, but impeachment is a long and costly process.\u00a0 In the meantime, do you want the serial murderer to be making decisions?<\/em><\/p>\n<ol start=\"2\">\n<li><em>The Electoral College maintains a winner-take-all structure for the popular vote State by State.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><em>States are free to set up the rules for how electors are appointed.\u00a0 Most States have chosen to appoint all the electors associated with the candidate who gets the most votes in that State.\u00a0 Thus, each State contest is basically winner take all.\u00a0 (Maine and Nebraska do this by Congressional district, with adjustments for Statewide results).<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This is a good thing.\u00a0 It maintains the perception that presidential winners are favored by a majority of the people.\u00a0 Most of the time the winner of the popular vote also wins the most electoral votes.\u00a0 Anomalies like Gore vs. Bush in 2000 are rare.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cWinner take all\u201d also prevents the further fragmentation of our body politic.\u00a0 Imagine for a moment what proportional allocation of electors, or direct election via the popular vote, would mean for future elections.\u00a0 Knowing that one could get achieve notoriety on a national stage by capturing a few percent of the popular vote, splinter parties would proliferate.\u00a0 There might never again be a majority President.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Sorry to be so long-winded, but I have some strong views on this question.\u00a0 The Electoral College should be retained.\u00a0 You may view it as an outdated block on the will of the people.\u00a0 I view it as a potential safeguard to the republic\u2019s very existence.\u00a0 And, in fact, most of the time the will of the people will be reflected in the Electoral College result.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>At a time when the major parties\u2019 methods for selecting candidates have broken down (the system of primaries is to blame here), I am loath to even discuss eliminating a safeguard that could protect us from a real disaster.<\/em><\/p>\n<span id=\"From_Martha_Molina_Assistant_Director_of_Financial_Aid:\"><h3><strong>From Martha Molina, Assistant Director of Financial Aid:<\/strong><\/h3><\/span>\n<p><em>Yes.\u00a0 I believe that we should amend the U.S. Constitution to abolish the Electoral College because I believe that the people should elect the new president not a handful of states.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I am basing this assertion on the following: \u00a0The truth is that all people that are elected to higher offices cannot do it with the help of certain groups of people that can influence other voters as well.\u00a0 This doesn\u2019t mean that these candidates are not honest or do not have good character (although some can\u2019t disguised who they really are).\u00a0 It\u2019s just a fact that you need votes in your favor to win and a good campaign strategy (as in any strategy) is to get people to think that your ideas are better than your opponent. People will always think \u201cwhat\u2019s in it for me?\u201d\u00a0 Therefore, for a candidate to win the support of the people or groups he\/she desires, the candidate must demonstrate (usually by official\/unofficial\/subtle\/inferred promises) that he\/she is the candidate that will make the elector\u2019s desire come true.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>What does this have to do with the Electoral College?\u00a0 A lot! Because the candidates will campaign and try to seek the favor of the states that will bring them the most electoral votes. I believe that the responsibility has to be with the people as a whole, not with some states.\u00a0 For example, we have candidate X and Y.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If a state \u201cA\u201d has a population of 10 million and 10 electoral votes and state \u201cB\u201d has a population 6 million and 6 electoral votes. Let\u2019s say that only 3 million people vote from state A (1.7 million for \u201cX\u201d and 1.3 million for \u201cY\u201d) so state \u201cA\u201d declares X the winner.\u00a0 Now for state \u201cB\u201d, let\u2019s say that 5 million people vote (1 million for \u201cX\u201d and 4 million for \u201cY\u201d).\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If we total these numbers, candidate \u201cX\u201d will win <u>10 Electoral College votes<\/u> with 2.7 million votes in his favor while candidate \u201cY\u201d will lose since he only would have <u>6 Electoral College votes<\/u> even though he won the population vote with 5.3 million votes \u2013which almost double the number of votes for candidate \u201cX\u201d.\u00a0\u00a0 To me this is not democracy; democracy is the will of the people.\u00a0 If this were to be a race between 2 states, then the winner clearly would not be the people that took the time to cast their votes to elect the best person to represent them.\u00a0 There\u2019s always going to be a good argument for each side; however if the question is does the Electoral College represents \u201cWe, the people\u201d, then the answer is a resounding \u201cNo!\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<span id=\"From_Dr._Carlota_Ocampo_Trinity8217s_Provost:\"><h3><strong>From Dr. Carlota Ocampo, Trinity&#8217;s Provost:<\/strong><\/h3><\/span>\n<p><em>I am not a political scientist, but I have grasped an important foundational principle of our American system:\u00a0 checks and balances.\u00a0 I appreciate checks and balances as an added layer of protections that shore up our democratic processes, and make what could be a fragile system, strong.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The electoral college is a good example of checks and balances.\u00a0 Though three of the four Presidents who lost the popular vote but won the electoral were Republicans (the fourth being John Adams, our Federalist second President) I do not see this as a partisan issue.\u00a0 I agree with Jason Brennan, the author of \u201cOpinion: The Electoral College is anti-democratic\u2014and that\u2019s a good thing\u201d which you posted below (2016:\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.marketwatch.com\/story\/the-electoral-college-is-anti-democraticand-thats-a-good-thing-2016-09-12\">http:\/\/www.marketwatch.com\/story\/the-electoral-college-is-anti-democraticand-thats-a-good-thing-2016-09-12<\/a>) that \u201c[America\u2019s founders] worried that <strong>democratic polities were prone to fits of passion<\/strong>. They might be <strong>overcome by prejudice and swayed by populist demagogues<\/strong> \u2026 a series of checks and balances and a multistep process [could] slow down the decision-making process <strong>with the hope that cool heads will prevail<\/strong>.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The hope that cool heads will prevail!\u00a0 We have seen, in this election, the danger of demagoguery and the chaos of hot-headedness.\u00a0 Psychology (and history) tells us that group behavior can supercede individual critical thinking when emotions run high.\u00a0 Group decisions are often poorer than those each member might make individually and outside of the group\u2019s influence.\u00a0 Hitler\u2019s rise to leadership was the result of democratic processes, after all, Brennan reminds.\u00a0 The irony here is that a departure from the pure democracy of a popular vote \u2013 the electoral college \u2013 actually enhances our ability to enjoy the benefits of that democracy.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>In endorsing the electoral college, I realize that MY candidate may lose the popular vote and win the Presidency (in fact, this has happened!).\u00a0 And yes, I was sore.\u00a0 But the ultimate winner is the continuation of the American experiment \u2013 an experiment which, so far, has produced a strong and stable life for many of the world\u2019s citizens.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>My vote:\u00a0 for the electoral college!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>And for extra credit, in refusing to hear the Garland nomination, the Senate is not only failing to uphold its sworn duty, it is engaging in exactly the kind of hot-headed political machinations that makes checks and balances necessary.\u00a0 The Senate is proving my point.<\/em><\/p>\n<span id=\"Additional_Comments_from_the_Straw_Poll\"><h3>Additional Comments from the Straw Poll<\/h3><\/span>\n<ul>\n<li>Members of the Electoral College can be influenced by wealthy corporations or individuals who would only support the presidential candidate that proposes policies that would benefit them and not the mass population. In the past it may have been a safeguard to select the president, but in current times it is more of a safeguard for the rich to maintain their status and power.<\/li>\n<li>The Electoral College, most times, is not a true representation of who the people want in office. It makes me wonder if &#8220;freedom&#8221;, in its purest definition, was seen as an actuality in the development of our republic, or was the promise of freedom the old &#8216;carrot attached to a string trick&#8217;, used to lure unsuspecting, under-educated, desperate for change, poor people to believe that their voice and opinion mattered?<\/li>\n<li>Checks and balances like the electoral college are the foundation of American democracy, and are important to preserving a broader democratic process.<\/li>\n<li>In a government for the people by the people every vote should count equally.<\/li>\n<li>No, because this is not a TRUE decision made by the American public. Americans should have a role in the presidential decision&#8211;the Electoral College disallows this role.<\/li>\n<li>The Electoral College is based on populations of each state. While it is not perfect, it does motivate candidates to campaign in most states, and pay attention to the different issues in each state or region. We are a very diverse country in many ways, including by region, and the state-based Electoral College helps ensure that regional differences are addressed by the candidates. I think it also keeps them on a more even keel &#8211; if we had a simple majority vote, I think this campaign season would be even more chaotic, reckless.<\/li>\n<li>The idea behind democracy is supposed to give the people power to choose their own president. Unfortunately with the electoral college, that power is being taken away from us because we are voting indirectly and the majority vote doesn&#8217;t really count. Ultimately, the electors are making a decision for us, which defeats the purpose of democracy.<\/li>\n<li>Trump currently has the popular vote and if we were to abolish the Electoral College our country could go into serious turmoil.<\/li>\n<li>The Electoral College is far from perfect, but it reflects our system of representation by both states and the people. I am all for adjusting or amending the process for fairness, but we should not abolish the entire system.<\/li>\n<li>The Electoral College allows for checks and balances.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Thanks for participating in this discussion!\u00a0 If you would like to add your voice, please offer a comment in the comment box below, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.surveymonkey.com\/r\/ElectoralClg\">vote in the survey by clicking on this link.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Below is the information and context I posted in my original email message to the campus community about the Electoral College discussion:<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>What is the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.archives.gov\/federal-register\/electoral-college\/about.html\">Electoral College<\/a>?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong>No, it\u2019s not a degree-granting university.\u00a0 It is a body created by the Constitution of the United States to elect the president of the United States.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Wait.\u00a0 Don\u2019t \u201cWe, the People\u201d elect the president of the United States?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>Well, yes, indirectly.\u00a0 Those famous Founding Fathers were actually somewhat conservative men who distrusted the will of the people generally, and were definitely afraid that majority rule could create problems for the then-new nation.\u00a0 So, among many weird restrictions they created to hedge their bets about the usefulness of full democracy, they created this additional step for electing presidents.<\/p>\n<p>When you go to the polls on November 8 (or earlier if your state allows early voting), you will cast your vote for president of the U.S., but in fact, you will be electing members of the Electoral College from your state.\u00a0 Each state gets the same number of electors as the number of Senators and Congresspeople in that state.\u00a0 (DC is considered a state for this purpose, and though we have no senators, we actually do get 3 electoral votes &#8212; 1 for our non-voting Congressional seat and 2 as if we had senators &#8212; wouldn\u2019t it be great if we had real senators, though?\u00a0 That\u2019s another question\u2026)<\/p>\n<p>So, bottom line, the Electoral College has 538 votes apportioned in the same way as the U.S. House and Senate members represent the states.\u00a0 A president must receive 270 electoral votes to win the election.<\/p>\n<p>This is the reason why presidential candidates spend a lot of time in only few states &#8212; \u201cbattleground states\u201d like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, Virginia and others with a lot of electoral votes that might possibly \u201cswing\u201d to one side or the other with intense campaigning.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>But what if a presidential nominee wins a majority of the popular vote?\u00a0 Isn\u2019t that enough to be elected president?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>No.\u00a0 In the Year 2000, Democratic Nominee Al Gore won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College, giving the presidency to George W. Bush.\u00a0 That was the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.factcheck.org\/2008\/03\/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote\/\">fourth time<\/a> in American history a candidate won the popular vote but lost the election because of the Electoral College.\u00a0 (Another Constitutional question:\u00a0 the Supreme Court ultimately decided the disputed 2000 election, showing that a full Supreme Court is very important for the balance of our national governance system.\u00a0 But right now, the Supreme Court has only 8 members, not the required 9, because the Senate refuses to take action on President Obama\u2019s nominee Merrick Garland.\u00a0 Is the U.S. Senate abridging its Constitutional duty by failing to hold hearings on Garland?\u00a0 I don\u2019t give extra points but welcome comments on this question.)<\/p>\n<p>So, should \u201cWe, the People\u201d start a movement to amend the Constitution to get rid of the Electoral College?<\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"http:\/\/www.marketwatch.com\/story\/the-electoral-college-is-anti-democraticand-thats-a-good-thing-2016-09-12\">The Electoral College is Anti-Democratic &#8212; and That\u2019s a Good Thing<\/a><\/p>\n<p>See New York Times:\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2016\/08\/29\/us\/politics\/us-election-electoral-college.html\">Where U.S. Presidential Votes Really Count \u2013 The Electoral College<\/a><\/p>\n<p>See Nate Silver\u2019s essay:\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com\/2011\/09\/20\/would-al-gore-have-won-in-2000-without-the-electoral-college\/\">Would Al Gore have won in 2000 without the Electoral College?<\/a><\/p>\n<p>See the current <a href=\"http:\/\/www.270towin.com\/\">Electoral Map of the United States<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/2016\/09\/constitution-day-electoral-college-edition\/electoralcollegemap2016\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5527\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-5527\" src=\"http:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/electoralcollegemap2016-535x400.png\" alt=\"electoralcollegemap2016\" width=\"535\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/electoralcollegemap2016-535x400.png 535w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/electoralcollegemap2016-174x130.png 174w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/electoralcollegemap2016-268x200.png 268w, https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/files\/2016\/09\/electoralcollegemap2016-768x574.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 535px) 100vw, 535px\" \/><\/a>(<a href=\"http:\/\/irregulartimes.com\/2014\/12\/17\/free-color-in-2016-electoral-college-map\/\">photo credit<\/a>)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A slim majority of the Trinity community says, &#8220;Abolish the Electoral College!&#8221;  Others say, &#8220;Not so fast!&#8221; Join the debate!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":51,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[787,20,23,24],"tags":[1653,1709],"class_list":["post-5524","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-political-issues","category-politics","category-social-issues","category-social-justice-issues","tag-election-2016","tag-electoral-college"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5524","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/51"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5524"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5524\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5524"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5524"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.trinitydc.edu\/president\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5524"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}